Goofy wrote:You will notice, never once, do I say I am not responsible for everything bad I said I see in the world?
I didnt say either way either. You are certainly not responsible for all bad
Goofy wrote:Just pointing out problems. Also, Sid, if you really want me to post research footnotes to back anything I've said about people being poisoned and abnormal lose of plant and animal life, I can do that.
If you wish I would be interrested in it. But if its musch work its ok.
Goofy wrote:Do you think all these huge industrial accidents that cause massive displacement of people and do massive poisonings of land/air/water and which kill all kinds of life are part of normal planetary survival? Or even the dramatic weather changes that have been occuring since the 1950s? Such as the Arctic Ice cap disappearing and the bottom of the food chain in the oceans there which are disappearing too?
Ohh Goofy, what about a volcano? how much isnt that destroying, pumping out more CO2 and Sulfur than we could do in 100year even if we tried. And the lava and dust after that sinks whole islands and levels great areas, it kills just as many if not more animals and plants than what we do.
Is pollution bad? Yes. Why? Because we make it harder for ourselves to live here. Are we close to destroying life on earth? Not at all.
And Arctic Ice caps melting hmm are you sure? Are you sure the permanent ice caps in norway is getting larger! than they were 200years ago. And also you know that we have more accurate measurements today, which seems like we have higher deviation from year to year than before. But this is not neccesarily true because old information was calculated by hand and in intervalls and there was just set a straight line between the dots. This was done due to limited calculation power, it also made it seem like less variation in temperature before but in truth it was only due to less data points.
Is the temperature changing? YES IT IS, is it natural or because of us? There is no agreement to this.
Changes will always happen, variations, etc. They are also seeing that the golf stream (not sure if this is the english word for it) is changing course.. and if it does we can look forward to a new Ice Age .. yay for norway.
The thing is that there is so many factors involving this that its behaving like a chaotic system, like all weather do, and it is possible to forecast maybe a day or two. but then it gets exponentially harder to see.
Think about the huge CO2 circulation we have... the 0.002% of it that comes from us is changing it how exacly?
Goofy wrote:The shit is happening and there is nothing we can do about it if we want to continue the blissful life that we live. Are we all going to live like Quakers? No. But it sure would make a huge difference for the better if we did. Even if we all wanted to, it won't happen. We have no say in this matter. One person or 10000 people can try and make the change by the way they live, but it won't make any difference. It may just slow the progression on the problems, but in the end, the problems will still be here.
If you define natural variations as problems yes I would agree. But I dont see any reason for calling it a problem, its a change, adapt and live with it.
Goofy wrote:Until massive amounts of human life are extinguished, it is what it is. And I'm pretty sure, this is exactly what we are going to see sometime in the next 100 years. A huge plague is on the horizon most scientists believe. The Bird Flu is the one to watch for now. And with all the anti-biotic resistant stuff coming up through the ranks due to the over usage of anti-biotics, there are going to be strains on common stuff that we won't be able to stop. Good times are on the horizon people. Enjoy!
Heh only a true pessimist would call what you describe for good times on horizon.
I dont believe it tho, There migth come a plage there might not. Thats ALWAYS the case. The pollution that we do compared to natural occurances is very small.
I agree that it is an idea to actually do reduce pollution, but more for our own comforts as for "saving the nature" kind of thing.
If we are wiped out by a plague, be sure that life will continue anyway.