July 7th, 2005 ... to our London and UK friends and family

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July 7th, 2005 ... to our London and UK friends and family

Postby Deverin » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:54 am

All of our prayers and most kind and hopeful thoughts are with you this day.
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Postby Siderius » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:09 am

And the thing I dont understand at all is that this is a gathering to discuss the loans the poor lands and actually give it much of it back to make their lives better.

It is not an antiterrorist meeting, nor a meeting on the irak situation etc. It puzzles me.
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Postby Deverin » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:25 am

Agreed. It seems to be a response to what PM Blair had said yesterday regarding the infrastructure of London when the city was picked for the 2012 Olympics. Begs one to wonder if they were prepared to bomb Paris. /shudder
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Postby Jhereg » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:03 am

It was almost certainly planned weeks or months in advance. It's rare that people can do something widespread without prior planning. I'd guess the bid part was the actual trigger but it could have been the G8 meeting. London is a more multicultural city likely than a spot in Scotland.

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Postby Blackbane911 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:29 am

I agree that this coordinated set of heinous acts took extensive advance planning. I doubt it had anything to do with the olympics. Rather, I believe it's a naked attempt by AL Qaeda to strike a blow straight at the fault line between the US and Britain vis a vis the coordination and cooperation on Iraq, a conflict which typical British people never endorsed (and which is losing popularity in the US). It was opportunistically timed with the G8 conference to send an extra message.

In Spain last year, islamofascists loosely linked to Al Qaeda were able to overturn a pro-US government and install an appeasing one with the Madrid bombings days before their election. The Spanish elected an appeaser and troops were promptly removed from Iraq. They are trying to do the same thing in Britain. Already, the anti-US, flaming lefty windbag PM George Galloway issued a statement suggesting Britain pull out of Iraq so as not to make these people angry...

The threat of Hitler across the Channel and the threat of islamofascists (considered by Brits more of a criminal nuisance like the IRA) makes comparing the Blitz of WWII and the Global War on Terror apples and oranges. Yet I can at least hope that the Brits are made of sterner stuff than other European nations in the face of a global ideology that is antithetical to their way of life.

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Postby Camireno » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:45 pm

I find it terribly sad, and worse yet, these radicals will not stop if people do as they want at the moment. They are motivated by hatred to anyone who is not of their own and will continue to hit anyone they wish and then provide a reason why it was done. Most of the world relies on the U.S. for trade agreements or aid, and therefore are allied one way or the other to them. With fanaticals, the U.S. has been dubbed the archenemy due to our historical support of Israel since 1948.
As sad as it is to admit, Bush is taking the right tact in the fact that bullies are not appeased by backing down or paying off. It simply does not work. The only way is to continue this course set and make it so costly for them to continue their acts of violence that eventually it is not a worthwhile cause. (very optimistic outlook on what could be the outcome).
I dont mean to become embroiled in politics as I really do not like them, but am angry that innocent people get to pay with their blood for issues that have been at play in the world for millenia (if you believe the account of Genesis Esau vs. Jacob). It would be wonderful to see the world be a 'happy place' but since we have free will, there will always be people out there who thrive on killing others, whose ego can only be appeased by putting others down, whose sense of justice is so skewed that it is downright sad to think of. I pity the young people who have been taught these beliefs and lies from childhood and know nothing of true freedom and the pursuit of happiness. Until they learn different, the pattern will continue to repeat. I think the only way to solve the issue is education. These kids need to learn that there is so much more available to them, so much more that is worthy of their every effort and desire. Not likely to happen, but that is what I think from having seen the people overseas on my tour. It is a sad and difficult situation full of hopelessness and slated to have a long road to ever improve.

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Postby Gnub » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:12 pm

Deverin wrote:Agreed. It seems to be a response to what PM Blair had said yesterday regarding the infrastructure of London when the city was picked for the 2012 Olympics. Begs one to wonder if they were prepared to bomb Paris. /shudder


I thought his responce was " I was so happy , I did a little jig."
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Postby Silly » Fri Jul 08, 2005 8:39 am

/comfort and sympathy to my overseas friends.

These tragedies are always just too surreal. After flying back to see the aftermath of 9/11, I realized I couldn't really grasp the devistation until I saw it in person, up close.

So... I can't imagine what Londoners must be going through right now. I hope everyone I know is safe and sound though :(

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Postby Blackbane911 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:52 am

I live and work at ground zero just outside Washington DC. My wife works within a mile of the White House. When I got to work yesterday, part of the NIH campus was shut down near the metro station with squad cars and a bomb squad vehicle investigating what turned out NOT to be a bomb. Still, my wife and/or I might well be riding the Washington DC underground Metro at the wrong time, someday....

But I'm not going to let these people change my life.

An absolutely spot-on (IMHO) take on the atrocity was penned by Victor Davis Hanson, a historian:

http://www.victorhanson.com/

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Postby Gnub » Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:30 pm

Gnub wrote:
Deverin wrote:Agreed. It seems to be a response to what PM Blair had said yesterday regarding the infrastructure of London when the city was picked for the 2012 Olympics. Begs one to wonder if they were prepared to bomb Paris. /shudder


I thought his responce was " I was so happy , I did a little jig."
Thoughts of Love Actually popped into my head with the Pointer Sisters playing in the background.


Now i feel like a b00b/hermit. I didnt know about the bombings untill today.
Best wishes for the Londoners.

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Postby Quiigon » Sat Jul 09, 2005 7:02 am

I was witness to some of the terrible events on 7th July first hand, as I work just 2 minutes walk from Tavistock Square, the site of the bus blast.

First of all, I want to say how extremely proud I was of how our emergency services coped on that day and also of how calm the people of London were in the aftermath.

Whatever the motives and warped reasonings/justifications of those responsible, they are simply just mass murderers and people should not link their actions with any political motives. They did not target any politicians or world leaders.

The bomb on the bus is now believed to have been headed for Euston Underground, but the bus got diverted due to the earlier incidents. The bombings were timed at the height of rush-hour, deep inside the tunnels of our undergound system. No warnings were given.

You can try to wrap it up in any political colour you like, but this was done to injure and kill as many innocent people as possible and make it extremely difficult for emergency staff to help any casualties.

Those responsible are scum, pure and simple.

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Postby Gnub » Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:32 pm

Well said Quiigon

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Postby Venayven » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:10 am

My sympathies go out to all Londoners .. Man I can't imagine what you guys have had to endure . It does however seem very coincidental in relation to the Olympics ..I mean ; What if it had been announced that Olympics would take place elsewhere ?? Would that place been hit ?? Were there multiple plans in the works ?? Really kinda scary when you stop and think about it .. I saw the devistation in NYC first hand . Being in EMS I was able to go inside to an inner platform . I know the feeling I had at that time and I can not imagine going through that again .. Overall , there are forces there to take care of these threats , but why do the threats seem to grow ?? I just hope those parties responsible for ALL these actions are caught so NOONE has to deal with tragities anymore .
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